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Re: Symfony2 .. bumpy ride for some

Well I am hoping we will have a stable release by April for 2.0 and that we follow up with a 2.1 (LTS release) in August/September.

Re: Symfony2 .. bumpy ride for some

I'm an experienced PHP dev (10 years) but I have to agree that Symfony2 is very hard to learn. The new generators help a lot, but there's a lot of configuration that is totally opaque. The range of options and possible directory structures is overwhelming and results in disorganized projects. I think you have to be an elite developer (top 10%) to be able to use Symfony2 without weeks of training. The documentation is good but it leaves gaps because the sample code isn't working code.

Re: Symfony2 .. bumpy ride for some

I can't argue that Symfony 2 is a challenge to learn for most PHP developers - particularly because Symfony 2 is so opinionated (like Rails); this requires using advanced design principles. I think PHP is a language where you could easily go 10 years without learning most of the "way" Symfony 2 does things. It's a culmination of best-practices and innovations from all frameworks, not just from the PHP ecosystem but from all web development. Many developers argued that Zend Framework was over-kill and suffered from pattern-itis when it first came out but now it seems a far-behind simpleton when compared to Symfony 2.

You say that configs get disorganized after adding so much but there are ways to better manage "out of control" Symfony 2 configs. Check out Lichess, he keeps configs for different parts of his app isolated in their own config then imports them into the main one. https://github.com/ornicar/lichess. I agree that this should probably in the main documentation. Lets get Weaver on it :)

Re: Symfony2 .. bumpy ride for some

Yes I agree as well, I've have a rough go of it trying to get my mind around Symfony2

Re: Symfony2 .. bumpy ride for some

I think the core S2 team is making a big mistake by ignoring the S2 user forum. Lots and lots of "best practice" type questions that should be answered by the experts and then transferred to a sticky thread for reference.

Re: Symfony2 .. bumpy ride for some

I brought up your concerns. Actually many core devs weren't even aware that there is a forum, much less that there is a Symfony2 sub forum. Now I am pretty sure all core devs are aware it exists.

That being said, very few experienced developers have much appreciation for forums. However I did hear from several developers that said they will try to keep tabs on the forum. Also anyone is encouraged to keep an eye on the forum and ask questions for example on the #symfony IRC channel and post them back to the forum.

Hope things will improve for those who prefer forums. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

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